There is a difference between looking at the federal problem of illegal immigration and any state’s problems associated with illegal immigrants already living side-by-side with citizens – and this difference, at least in the current public dialogue, isn’t altogether understood by policy makers.
At Sutherland, we have tried to focus on the latter scenario. Given that Utah has zero power over the federal jurisdiction regarding illegal immigration, state policies necessarily must focus on how Utahns cope with illegal immigrants already living here. In this context Utahns have two options: first, we could be unwelcoming, hunt them down and report them to federal authorities until they are all removed, or starve them out until they leave on their own; or, second, we could be welcoming, make the best of a difficult situation, help lift them to the surface of society, and view them as fellow human beings not much different than the rest of us.
The Sutherland Institute has written extensively on this issue and we have chosen the latter path. In fact, we have argued that the authentic conservative position in Utah is the latter path.
Just the other day, two of my Sutherland colleagues presented a recent in-house publication before the Immigration Interim Committee in Park City. The Committee agenda was filled with anti-immigration advocates who had been waiting to be heard by the Committee – and us. While I was not there physically (which was probably a good thing as I’ll explain) my colleagues reported to me that the evening was very contentious when Sutherland stepped to the microphone.
There are two particular points to note. First, retiring State Senator Bill Hickman, primary author of SB 81, was not fond of Sutherland’s conclusions. I should also point out that there was no dispute in the meeting over the findings in our new report – only dispute over our conservative philosophy on immigration. Hickman was particularly dismayed by our position that “we should welcome all people of good will to our state.” This sentiment, he said, he didn’t understand.
Here is the sentiment: as explained, we have two policy options at our disposal – we will be, as a people and a society, unwelcoming or welcoming. Frankly, the choice for us is easy. We have fought two world wars against enemies who employed the tactics of the former option – round up people and starve out people – and that option we are not willing to choose.
A second point of interest during the Committee meeting was State Representative Chris Herrod’s presentation that seemed to be focused exclusively as a response to the Sutherland essay last May. Full of quotes from LDS Church leaders (odd for a public meeting where many non-LDS folks were in attendance) to justify a strict “rule of law” approach, Rep. Herrod’s presentation projected the sentiment of most anti-immigration advocates: what don’t we understand about the word illegal?
Of course, the response is that the rule of law must be reflective of human experience and human nature and, as Sutherland’s May essay explained, the narrow view of anti-immigration advocates in Utah reflects neither.
As policy, the Sutherland Institute sees only one reasonable option, if a primary goal of ours is to make Utah an example of good government to the rest of the nation – welcome all people of good will to our fine state. The federal government with Constitutional jurisdiction over the issue of immigration, legal or otherwise in all its facets, will do what it will do. Utahns, dealt the cards of failed federal policies, must do what we will do – the right thing, the authentic conservative thing, the humane thing, the productive thing – and make the best out of a difficult situation.
22 responses so far ↓
1 Bryan Kingsford // Aug 30, 2008 at 10:00 pm
I’m very pleased with the Sutherland Institute’s approach to illegal aliens living within Utah. It’s one my conscience can live with.
I hope more people can be convinced to treat others as they’d want to be treated.
2 Wendy // Sep 2, 2008 at 1:32 pm
For years illegal immigration has been a problem of resources and processes, not a humanitarian argument.
And as a U.S. citizen if I committed a crime I would go to jail. The illegal immigrants are committing a crime. If they want to live here in the U.S. they should go through the same processes that other immigrants go through.
We educate illegal immigrant children for free, give them free health care, feed them and cloth them and although some are grateful I have seen others take these handouts without generosity or gratitude but with an attitude that they deserve more.
Hundreds of hospitals have closed in the last few years because many who entered their doors have not paid for the care they received, most of those include illegal immigrants. Also, millions of dollars are spent incarcerating illegal immigrants who commit crimes. There is no legal resource which U.S. citizens have to retribution for the crimes committed against them by those who are here in this country illegally.
Illegal immigration is a problem. It is not a human right to live here…..it is a sacrifice and requires hard work….and requires the same processes that are expected of our nations citizens.
3 Lyall // Sep 2, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Wendy,
Your paragraph “we educate illegal…” you could insert Americans in that sentence and it would read the same. You are asking this group of people to live to a standard that even a significant population in this country is unwilling to live up to. Why the double standard?
As to your point of committing a crime…you probably have already committed multiple crimes and didn’t even know you have and yet you aren’t in jail. Have you ever gone above the speed limit. I am sure you have, which means you have BROKEN the law. Are you then a criminal?
Saying that illegal immigration is problem of resources versus a humanitarian problems simply allows you to objectify real human beings and their desire to live the American dream.
If resources were really the problem, why don’t you spend more time and energy working to get rid of the AARP, which has been the biggest backer of sucking resources toward those 65+, which right now means that this age group is helping to bankrupt our country far more than illegal immigrants are.
Final question, Wendy…What’s more immoral, coming to America illegally to work (which the numbers strongly suggest this is what the majority of illegal immigrants come here to do) or going into retirement knowing that what is paying for your retirement means a major mortgage payment for your grandkids?
4 Gladys // Sep 2, 2008 at 5:49 pm
I aplaud the position of Southerland Institute of welcoming those people who have been here for years working hard and helping to build this country.
I consider one of the big problems when we are discussing inmigration issues is lack of knowledge . Individuals don’t take the time to research facts, don’t have access to data, or don’t want to recognize the reality, otherwise they would know that undocumented inmigrants instead of draining the economy are making a great contribution.
Undocumented inmigrants, do pay taxes but don’t receive Income Credit for those children that have not been born here. They CAN NOT receive any type of welfare benefits (no food stamps, medical assistance etc)
They are great consumers and the country needs now people who is willing to consume to move the economy.
They work jobs nobody would do for low wages, and the majority of them would like to learn English, to integrate to this society and to serve in any way they could if they were given a chance to get out of the shadow. They do want to become legal residents.
Many people don’t understand the humanitarian side of the issue because they have never had to risk their life to put the food on the table.
If somebody ask what part of the word “illegal” we don’t understand, I would then ask what part of the words “charity, mercy and love” they don’t understand !
5 Trevor Haggett // Sep 3, 2008 at 12:44 pm
We have allowed a ridiculous amount of uneducated people that lack necessary job skills into our state. This breeds crime and poverty. There is a huge problem with identity theft, as well as driving without proper insurance. Our schools are being stretched to the limit as well as our hospitals and government institutions. The Sutherland Institute has no productive way to deal with this. One needs to ask himself, where do we draw the line? Can we handle 10% more illegals? 20%? 50%? When will there be too many for us to deal with. When the place these people are fleeing to be the same as the place they are fleeing from? We have had many immigrants in our past. My wife is from Mexico. My daughter is half Mexican and I love the country. I am even thinking of moving there for a while. I have spent thousands of dollars on keeping her status up to date and it it very difficult to do. Why not make it easier for those Immigrants that are legal, and a little tougher for those who are not?
6 John Miller // Sep 3, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Our Government is to blame for this mess. Big businesses need people to work illegally so they don’t have to pay taxes and other things for them. They can keep there cost of labor down. If an illegal tries to get a job a bank they will be kicked out the door, if they apply for a factory job or to work in the fields they will get the job easily. People speak of compassion. There are over 30 million Mexicans in Mexico. Can we let all of them move here? What about Guatemalans and El Salvadorenos? How many people can we afford? They will keep coming untill they make the same amount where there from that they will here. Is it so bad for them to stay in there own country? To help there own economy? We can not have all the third world countries people come to the USA just for the sake of compassion. They will be fine in their own countries. No pienso que la gente de Mexico, El quince mas grande economia en el mundo van a estar tan pobres y morir si no pueden vivir aqui. He ido a Mexico y la gente alli estan bien. Sera imposible tener todos aqui. The sutherland institute does not realize how much of a problem this is and peple are getting angrier over our governments lack of ability dealing with theis issue. Wait five or ten more years and you will see how much of an issue it will be!
7 Steve Kroes // Sep 3, 2008 at 1:09 pm
So, to make this a more productive discussion, can some of you clarify your position on something? I think this is what you’re saying, but I’m not sure: You feel that compassion to those here serves as a magnet for more undocumented immigrants to come here, and we can’t afford to have more of them in Utah. Am I correct with that interpretation? I’m not saying that’s unreasonable — it’s an argument that has some basis in logic.
And for Paul, if that’s what people are saying, how do you respond? How should we deal with the “magnet” effect — how can Utahns show compassion but at the same time discourage more undocumented immigrants from coming here? Or would discouraging more from coming only end up being non-compassionate? Is it our responsibility to solely show compassion and let the federal government figure out how to keep the borders secure so that the flow of new undocumented immigrants doesn’t continue?
Also for Paul — where does the provision of government services fit on the continuum of compassion? We have a U.S. Supreme Court mandate to provide public education services, but it’s less clear on things like health and welfare or higher education. Should our compassion extend to providing those services as we do to citizens and legal residents?
8 TrevorHaggett // Sep 3, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Lyall,
How dare you compare illegals to our citizens who have been working and contributing to our economy their whole lives? That is absurd that you would even say that!
9 Paul Mero // Sep 3, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Frankly, I believe the magnet argument is a bit specious. If we are not objectifying people, then we would not invoke the “magnet” image (i.e. a magnet for crime and poverty). What if they are productive, then they would be a magnet for productivity! In these negative comments there are both plain inaccuracies and (I’ll say it) prejudices. It is a bit of the pot calling the kettle brown.
Our research at Sutherland shows that illegal immigrants in Utah are a net positive affect. Moreover, in terms of family structure and productivity, illegal immigrants living in Utah out-shine its citizens. They lag in academic achievement and household income — not unexpected variables under the circumstances.
SCOTUS has ruled that we must provide their children with a K-12 education. However, there are significant federal laws in place that prohibit illegal immigrants from receiving welfare (this is one of the biggest myths — they burden our welfare systems — the other big myth is that they fill our prisons, simply not true in Utah).
I do think there is a modicum of truth to the idea that US businesses benefit from their “cheap” labor. But if US businesses are benefitting, then US consumers are too. My concern, in this respect, is that our business community has begun to objectify illegal immigrants in the same manner as the antis — the antis see them as “criminals” and the business community seems to see them as “workers.” Fact is, they are human beings with families.
No one knows what the saturation point is — that is, how many is too many? Legal immigration processes since 1924 have tried to determine that…and have obviously failed. While elected decision makers will make this determination, they should rely more heavily on the “market” to decide such matters. The stauration point will soon become self-evident.
Again, what most antis fail to wrap their brains around is the distinction we MUST draw between federal immigration policies and what states, like Utah, face with illegal immigrants living side by side with us. Antis cannot seem to get passed their idea that border policy is inextricably linked to our local attitudes about these immigrants. In my opinion, the “problem” is obviously related; the solutions are mutually exclusive.
In this comment string, Lyall is correct — antis must look in the mirror. If being on welfare is immoral for immigrants (assuming that charge is even valid), then it is immoral for citizens as well, and so on…unless antis are willing to say that citizenship alone means that you can do whatever you want simply because you’re a citizen. This would be my question for Trevor…his comment assumes that a “citizen” is a productive member of society…and that’s a big assumption.
10 veronica vanleeuwen // Sep 4, 2008 at 1:51 am
Whenever I look at a debate, I always ask myself what is truth? and can we dare face it? You can all say anything you want because of your own bias and fear of people who look different than the norm, but unless you can show me real scientific data and true statistics with a margin or error of no more than 5%, I will accept your view point. What I will write here is backed up by true scientific research. Let’s start with the biggest fear, “Immigrants are commiting violent crimes”According to actual data, Immigrants are less likely to commit delinquent and violent acts, to use drugs or alcohol or to have early sex and they are also in better health and report less emotional distress. (Fuligni and Saucier 2002) So that rules out the idea of immigrants overcrowding our jails and using our health care system. Another study showed that Immigrant parents are the most productive workers who express the belief that education is the surest way to improve life chances and placed a high value on their children academic achievement. (Goldenberg and Louie 2001) Children in the other hand, view School success as one of the most important ways they can repay the parents for their hardships. ( Fuligni Yip and Tseng 2002) In addition Immigrants report that the only time when they do act out and rebel is when they encounter prejudices between them and the native born peers creating tensions among them. (Hardy and Kuntz 2000)
It looks to me that if we only took the time to know Immigrant community well to better understand their values, we might even welcome endorcing their stay.
I speak of this basic fact because I am an immigrant myself and I have always appreciated the support I received from my American friends. I am now the proud mother of two college graduates and a remarkable tenn who is a student at Skyline High School. All my children were great examples to their anglo friends and by contributing to a biacultural environment, both cultures had great gains. I personally think that there must be a win win solution to all the people who are here working without a permit. Every State should issue enough work permits as they are needed for those who are here working under the table because it’s only fair since they are too paying taxes. The IRS has a way for them and other non citizens to use a tax identification number to pay their taxes, diplomats are a good example ot this set up, without ever receiving anything in return. Those taxes go to pay for your benefits only. A pole was taken similar to the Gallop Exit poll where they asked (people who they suspected were undocumented ) if they were hoping for an amnesty with a new president and 9 out of 10 said, No. ” We just want a work visa. We are not asking for handouts, just the freedom to feed our families without havindg to hide. ” The problem is that there are more blue collar jobs than there are people that want them. Our children don’t have the same work ethics and they will only get a job that it’s cool like at the malls, offices etc. If you don’t think this is true, there are statistics done by various Universities that have proven this point. Who wants to be getting dirty at some plant or factory when you can be sitting at an office, making so much more money. To give you an example UPS is having a hard time finding package handlers. They go to many Universities to recruit students and find that many students find carrying packages too hard of a job and now they are offering $10,000 of tuition for School, Full medical Dental and vision Benefits, weekends off, consistent schedule, 18 to 21 hours a week and paid vacations and holidays. People without proper documenttion could never aspire to get this type of a job so don’t worry your job is safe. Despite the bad economy, unmemployment in Utah is still low. Let’s not just complain but find true answers. they are here to stay and you would do the same if your were in their shoes. I know that because I am one of them.
11 Lee // Sep 4, 2008 at 5:37 pm
I’ve read through this report and frankly find it condescending and ill conceived. At the committee meeting, they tried to spin it and pretend that they only wanted to welcome illegals who are presently living in Utah and didn’t anticipate any further illegals coming into the state. This is a very naive stance, especially considering that Utah still offers the most benefits to illegals (driving privilege card, in-state tuition, certain cities offering sanctuary) while neighboring states are really cracking down.
The report also seems to frequently blend illegal aliens and non-citizen Hispanics without any rhyme or reason. Their survey results are also dubious considering that almost no state agencies actually track statistics based on immigration status. I do find it odd that they fail to mention that higher than average out-of-wedlock births from the illegal alien community yet claim that they are contributing to the institution of marriage and family within the state.
I question their finding that only 5% of the inmates in Utah jails are illegal aliens, considering on any given day a perusal of arrests in Utah or Salt Lake county show that between 20-30% of the arrestees are illegals.
12 veronica vanleeuwen // Sep 5, 2008 at 1:09 am
It is obvious that some people do not understand the findings but I’m not surprised because is the result of all the damaging and erroneous propaganda that has distorted people’s view of our immigrants.
Only those brave people who have an open mind will ever see the truth.
I speak from experience as a contributing immigrant citizen of Utah for the past 30 years working as a Social Worker and a teacher. The only people I ever saw in our system who were served were in the majority, whites. Non citizens can’t ever qualify for any public assistance.
Police may report arrests of 20% to 30% from illegals because they are sent home deported proving my point that most people serving time in our jails are white.. We are talking about violent crimes, not Immigration raids and arrests.
I don’t know if any of you who had a comment is a Native American because you are the only ones that can claim this land as yours; the rest of us all came from Immigrant parents at one time or another. The Irish , Greeks and Italians to name a few also were treated as outcasts and now Hispanics are not exempt.
Although the US has come a long way with accepting your blacks as human beings, there is still an overall sentiment typical of a racist society and I may add, all nations have that same problem, we are not the only ones but we should thrive to do better.
13 Paul Mero // Sep 6, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Let me try this again, especially for “Lee” and all who think like him/her. Through bad and failed FEDERAL public policy, Utah has people living side-by-side with us who are here illegally. Utah has ZERO jurisdiction, under federalism, to “punish the crimnals.”
We still have two policy options: make a bad situation worse, or make a bad situation better.
What we at Sutherland have said…and that I am saying again in its behalf right here…is that our moral character does not permit us to make their lives worse. We see them as ourselves. We benefit by helping them to the surface of society.
That Christian charity, common sense, recognition of human dignity, and wanting Utah to be a wonderful place to live, work, and raise a family actually serves as a “magnet” for other people…legal or not…is an example to the nation and the world that I can support wholeheartedly.
Antis…whether greens or nativists or NIMBYs…see people as the problem. I, we at Sutherland, see people as the solution.
Sutherland’s “side-by-side” presented at the Immigration Interim Committee meeting in Park City is based on US Census Bureau research. If it is flawed, take it up with the Census Bureau.
That we did not address out-of-wedlock pregnancies is because such research to date is either anecdotal or has questionable methodology…not to mention NOT part of the Census Bureau work. But even in the anecdotes of the antis, they will acknowledge the phenomenon that young un-wed Hispanic mothers typically turn to their families for support, NOT the state like so many white, young un-wed mother citizens do.
As I said in an earlier comment, if someone has the research…any reseach…they would like to present to us, we’ll give it a look.
But the true public policy disagreements stem from how we view our neighbors, currently living among us, who are here illegally. That is where the mop flops.
14 Becky // Sep 8, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Paul,
I heard your interview on KSL this morning. Do you have a link where people can see the US Census stats you were discussing?
15 Lee // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:58 am
I don’t understand your statement that your moral character does not allow you to make illegal aliens lives worse. By their decisions and actions, they are living as criminals among us.
I’m not sure how you could improve their lives without crossing a line and breaking the law yourself. You argue that under Federal law, Utah has no authority to prosecute/deport illegal aliens, yet under those same Federal laws, Utah also has no right to grant illegal aliens benefits and privileges. If you’re going to embrace Federalism, you should at least be consistent.
There has been a lot of talk about the need to be compassionate towards illegals. Where is the compassion for innocent citizens who find their lives disrupted by illegal aliens? If you want to do a study, why not research how many Utahns have been murdered or raped by illegal aliens in the past 5 or 10 years? How many Utahns have been victims of illegal alien hit and run drivers, or how many Utahns have to deal with identity theft?
A good friend of mine was struck and killed this past spring in front of his Spanish Fork home while he was getting mail from his mailbox. The driver (an illegal alien with no insurance) was allowed to post a $300 bond and has not been seen since. A woman who works for my wife had her car totaled by an illegal alien who ran a stop light and T-boned her car. The woman presented an insurance card which turned out to be forged and give a false name/address making it impossible to locate her.
There is a tragic story coming out of Colorado where an illegal alien with 18 prior arrests caused an accident which took 3 lives, including a 3 year old child. This was yet another hit and run incident where he took off and was arrested a few hours later.
Practically every day there is a news story about a gang shooting/stabbing or hit and run incident. Most of the time these involve illegal aliens. The Rand Corporation just released a study that shows that 75% of illegal aliens who are arrested and released commit additional crimes within one year. 28% commit multiple crimes within a year.
At the very least we should be able to agree that we should aggressively go after violent/criminal illegal aliens and remove them from society.
16 Trevor Haggett // Oct 7, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Dear Veronica,
I understand that you as well as millions and millions of hardworking immigrants are helping our country. It is however very shortsighted to assume that there are not problems caused by illegal immigration, and that there should not be a limit to the amount of immigrants that we allow into our country, nor that we should look the other way when they come here illegally. All the blame has to be towards the government and not the people who come her to look for a better life. When we recognize that there has to be a limit to immigration, and that it needs to be done legally it will be much easier to come to a conclusion on the issue. Also have you considered that most “illegals” who come here are poor campesinos who work two or three jobs and do not have the financial means nor the time to keep a close watch on their children? There children who are born citizens and see how materialistic us Americans are want to have it all. Without the proper education they join gangs and this breeds violence. I have been to LA and Pheonix, and don’t need an official report to see the problems with ethnic gang violence there. Can this be blamed on the Illegal aliens that come here? No, but it is definitely a by product of people that lack a good education (not their fault obviously) and that congregate in areas where others speak the same language. You said you went to Skyline high? Hardly a common situation for an Illegal immigrant. I think that is a pretty ritzy highschool. If you went to a school in east Las Angeles you would probably have a different story. • A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.
Here are some articles that have some pretty sufficient data to back them up.
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mac_donald04-13-05.htm
http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/09/29/daily77.html?jst=pn_pn_lk
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
17 Trevor Haggett // Oct 7, 2008 at 6:14 pm
What I was trying to convey, and unsuccessfully I agree is that our elderly whom have worked most of their lives, at least most of them, have contributed to the social system all of their lives. Therefor they should have the right to partake of the proceeds. Illegal Immigrants may have been here working hard for 20, 15, maybe 5 years. Our system cannot and should not have to support millions of Mexican citizens who have been working in Mexico for most of their lives. You say that if we believe it is wrong for Illegal immigrants to be on welfare that it is wrong for us to be on welfare. I think that would be true only if they had been living here their whole lives and contributing to the system. Now I am sorry if I came across as blaming the Immigrants, I know the problem falls directly on our government and ourselves. We are foolish if we think that we would not be in Canada if they paid $500,000 where we pay $50,000. Al the more reason for our government to regulate the situation. Also it would be great if we lived in a market economy, but we don’t at least not completely. We have many of social programs that rely on public spending. If we allowed the market to decide how many immigrants we would have, the social systems we have would fail. Hospitals, schools, infrastructure. I don’t believe that the point at which jobs would be available that pay more than in Mexico would necessarily be the point at which our social programs are still functioning eficiently.
18 Trevor Haggett // Oct 7, 2008 at 6:26 pm
The saturation point will become self evident when, there are too few jobs for too many people. When this happens do we think that all of the extra people will go home? What if the saturation point where they come from is the same? Then we will have an excess of people who we will need to be taken care of. Obviously anywhere that has a huge degree of unemployment will have many problems with crime and the social systems will become broken. We will either have to deny them basic services which is not humane, or services for everybody will be depleted.
19 Trevor Haggett // Oct 23, 2008 at 12:45 pm
A few more tidbits. Would we get away with identity theft? I know many who have had their lives ruined by identity theft. I’m sure Paul that if you went to buy a car and were denied because of debt that wasn’t yours you would think differently.
Second when somebody applies for food stamps they are not legally required to provide information on their legal status. They are required to say if they are “eligible” which is abused very often. I’m sorry Lee you are wrong, wrong wrong!!
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
20 Trevor Haggett // Oct 23, 2008 at 12:58 pm
As far as Steves comment on the “magnet affect” I think it is pretty obvious that how illegals are treated will determine whether or not more illegals will enter the country. Quit trying to use the race card Paul! I am tired of being labeled a racist every time I attempt to defend my country.
21 Peggy Fisher // Jun 30, 2010 at 10:44 am
I was very pleased to hear on the news that you, Paul Mero, are taking the RIGHT approach to illegal immigrants living within Utah. It’s about time… Even the word alien offends me. People that say our ancestors came here legal, years ago maybe even more than 100 years ago - it was different then. It is ridiculous to compare how our ancestors got here to the laws now. Is it a lottery system of some kind? Do you think the American Indian wanted to send us back? If someone sent me back to England now…what would I do? Some of these people we are talking about have never lived in Mexico. AMERICA is Great because of our humanness! Thank YOU it’s one my conscience can live with too.
22 veronica Almeida // Jul 13, 2010 at 9:19 am
This issue has become more and more political in nature. Both parties will try to nail this issue simply to get more votes but one day, we will look at this the same way we look today at the women who were not allowed to vote or the law of separate but equal. I think as a society we are more sophisticated than that. The root of the problem that exists today is that many are looking at every immigrant as a criminal. The people who have to break the law in order to survive is because there is not a reasonable process to be legal and there are more unwanted jobs than Americans want. It’s all about supply and demand. One day if the US has nothing to offer, like an African country for example, we will not worry about this issue any longer, but who wants that in other words, count your blessings!!!